VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

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mommysboiii

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BloodyMares said:
This, exactly. Jeremy plays a huge role in Ian's part of the narrative. Sure, they can have their disagreements over Alison or Ian might reprimand Jeremy for stringing Louise along, but nothing major happened that might completely ruin their friendship. Lena cheating on Ian with Jeremy would result in this outcome because Ian can't be left in the dark forever (at some point Ian's ignorance would become too much to suspense disbelief). It's one thing to destroy relationship with Wade by pursuing Cindy, at least that's something the player is prepared to deal with, but Ian losing his friend because of something Lena did, well, not only is it unfair but also creates an entirely different narrative. Perry and Wade would side with Ian and most likely stop interacting with Jeremy as well. Then it might impact Ian's friendship with Alison if she's hooking up with Jeremy and doesn't support Ian through his second heartbreak. Louise would also be ruined by Lena's betrayal because Ian would most likely want to tell Louise about all of Jeremy's shenanigans behind her back. I don't think I need to go on, it's already obvious how complicated this branch would get if it was allowed to play out.
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damm thats very sad :confused: :confused: but at least give us a option for cindy(with axel if we do wrong answers in dialoge) and holly(if ivy influance her drugs ,partys,teaching and lena allowes it or dont say anything) if together with ian pls I beg you pls:confused::confused:or bring gillian back I love a cheating girlfriend would be my kink they are the best girls:love::love:
I have the I can fix her syndrome and holly,cindy and gillian are perfect for that
 
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Lena can't cheat Ian with Jeremy is not necessarily drama-free, imo. Ian can have deep felings for Lena and be rejected by her when he propose a serious relatinship. And eventually know that she rejected him because of his best friend. Even if not enough for a end of friendship scenario, i can see he getting pretty upset with both Lena and Jeremy. And maybe even be more motivated in beat Jeremy's ass in the MMA tournament and get more close to Ivy as a payback for both Lena and Jeremy.
 
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Lena can't cheat Ian with Jeremy is not necessarily drama-free, imo. Ian can have deep felings for Lena and be rejected by her when he propose a serious relatinship. And eventually know that she rejected him because of his best friend. Even if not enough for a end of friendship scenario, i can see he getting pretty upset with both Lena and Jeremy. And maybe even be more motivated in beat Jeremy's ass in the MMA tournament and get more close to Ivy as a payback for both Lena and Jeremy.
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A certain someone here would love this scenario.
 
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Regarding the discussion about Lena and the lack of an option to cheat on Ian with Jeremy: I think it's partially understandable that some people are dissatisfied with it. The game is taking decisions on our behalf all of the time, but usually it's done in a subtle way where you may not even think about it as it happens. This is one of the exceptions where one of the protagonists act in a way that can be directly in conflict with how the player had intended (the other obvious example is Lena's reaction when she finds out about the kiss between Ian and Holly). That breaks the illusion that we're in full control of Ian and Lena, and ideally that should happen as rarely as possible.

Another aspect is that the game—or maybe rather the conventions about the kinks and tropes that are in play—suggests it will be possible to let Lena cheat with Jeremy. The way the affair between Lena and Jeremy is slowly building up behind the backs of Ian and Louise … Ian's developing interest in watching Jeremy fuck the girls he's attracted to himself … Ian's ambivalent, but intrigued relationship to how Lena shows off in photo sessions and on social media, and the attention it attracts from other guys … All the power dynamics that exists as part of the whole BBC trope … It all acts as hints that makes it reasonable to expect that Lena can cheat on Ian with Jeremy.

Still, I agree with everything kolram and BloodyMares point out, and as an isolated decision I think it's perfectly reasonable that Lena don't want a relationship with Ian if she's already fucked Jeremy. (Both from Lena's point of view and because of Eva's workload.) Another aspect is that Lena's decision making is based on completely different things in the two relevant events: If Lena sleeps with Jeremy in Louise's bedroom, the decision is based on what her bodily desires are telling her. Thus: big, tempting cock > Ian's feelings. But during her relationship talk with Ian, her decisions are naturally way more rational. Thus: Ian's feelings > big, tempting cock.

Lena's rationality in that scene isn't a guarantee that she'll be rational in every future scene involving Ian and Jeremy, though. Maybe it's correct that Eva decided to scrap any possibilites of a Lena+Jeremy affair if Lena is in a relationship with Ian. But it might also be that she simply decided it's too early for it. For the chapter 9 version of Lena, an affair with Jeremy isn't compatible with a relationship with Ian. But the chapter 10 version of Lena may very well decide that her relationship is compatible with … let's say fantasising about Jeremy while masturbating. And then the chapter 12 version of Lena may decide the relationship is compatible with sending some of her nude photos directly to Jeremy. And so on until we end up with another scene between the two where she again puts the rationality aside, and we thus once again end up at the point where big, tempting cock > Ian's feelings.
 
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I see three possible scenarios for setting up future Lena/Jeremy pairings.

1: Lena and Ian are casual: Nothing to stop Lena and Jeremy continuing what they have likely already started.

2: Lena and Ian together but experimenting: Lena could get together with Jeremy with Ian’s consent, possibly involving threesome.

3: Lena and Ian “exclusive”: Depending on how corrupted Lena becomes through influence by Axel or Seymour and/or whether she is already actively cheating on Ian then Ian’s feelings could become increasingly less important when compared to her BBC fetish. Ian’s relationship score with Jeremy could also be a factor here if points are too low.

3a Edit: Or, and I’m just throwing this out there - sweet innocent Lena finds out Ian has been cheating on her with anything on legs and fucks Jeremy for revenge.
 
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kolram said:
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I see three possible scenarios for setting up future Lena/Jeremy pairings.

1: Lena and Ian are casual: Nothing to stop Lena and Jeremy continuing what they have likely already started.

2: Lena and Ian together but experimenting: Lena could get together with Jeremy with Ian’s consent, possibly involving threesome.

3: Lena and Ian “exclusive”: Depending on how corrupted Lena becomes through influence by Axel or Seymour and/or whether she is already actively cheating on Ian then Ian’s feelings could become increasingly less important when compared to her BBC fetish. Ian’s relationship score with Jeremy could also be a factor here if points are too low.

3a Edit: Or, and I’m just throwing this out there - sweet innocent Lena finds out Ian has been cheating on her with anything on legs and fucks Jeremy for revenge.
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I'm not sure if Lena needs the influence from Axel or Seymour to become more "corrupted", as I think the duality between her rational self and her more instinctive, pleasure maximising self is relatively apparent in most of her choices already. But yes, apart from that small detail this is pretty much in line with how I see it myself.

Maybe Eva added the different relationship options to make it easier to write certain scenarios without dealing with the possibly gigantic consequences of a fall-out between Ian and Jeremy—or others. If Lena has a continuous affair with Jeremy when she's in an exclusive relationship with Ian, he needs to have the chance to find out and get the option to be very angry at both Lena and Jeremy. If Lena sleeps with Jeremy when she's just casual with Ian, I think it's less necessary that he finds out, and his range of possible reactions can be significantly smaller. And in an open relationship it might also be possible to push the limits more and still get away with it. I assume they'll soon go over what the "experimenting" actually means, but still it will probably be some vagueness to it that one or both of them can take advantage of. Ian, Lena and Jeremy have a threesome -> Lena convinces Jeremy to continue hooking up just the two of them without telling Ian -> when confronted about it, Lena plays the innocent "but we're in an open relationship, how was I supposed to know I couldn't continue fucking Jeremy" card.

And yes, considering how angry and defensive Lena gets after Ian's kiss with Holly or whenever someone brings up Cherry, I'm looking forward to the potential revenge fuck marathon she'll have in mind if she finds out Ian's been notoriously unfaithful.
 
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BloodyMares

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Lena's rationality in that scene isn't a guarantee that she'll be rational in every future scene involving Ian and Jeremy, though. Maybe it's correct that Eva decided to scrap any possibilites of a Lena+Jeremy affair if Lena is in a relationship with Ian. But it might also be that she simply decided it's too early for it. For the chapter 9 version of Lena, an affair with Jeremy isn't compatible with a relationship with Ian. But the chapter 10 version of Lena may very well decide that her relationship is compatible with … let's say fantasising about Jeremy while masturbating. And then the chapter 12 version of Lena may decide the relationship is compatible with sending some of her nude photos directly to Jeremy. And so on until we end up with another scene between the two where she again puts the rationality aside, and we thus once again end up at the point where big, tempting cock > Ian's feelings.
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That observation is fair. While Lena can sometimes act like a bitch, it's usually towards people she doesn't think about all that much. Ian so far has been on Lena's good side (if he didn't mess it up by sleeping with Holly or fighting Robert) so committing to a relationship knowing full well that there will be cheating involved (she's not gonna stop fucking Jeremy)... Well, she doesn't want to break his heart the same way Gillian did. They both opened up to each other, they both know each other's weaknesses and they wouldn't use that knowledge to hurt one another, it's just not who they are. If they do end up hurting each other it's usually by accident and miscommunication. The key factor for Lena to accept Ian's relationship proposal is to be in love with him (lena_ian_love). And if she's in love with him, she cares about him a lot, and she knows that her affair with Jeremy would break Ian, so at that time her love for Ian makes her to spare Ian the relationship based on lies.

That said, their relationship might develop in ways where her shenanigans with Jeremy might not trigger Ian's jealous rage... And then Lena could have the best of both worlds. Or the plot might progress in such a way where the consequences of Lena's cheating on Ian with Jeremy won't be as dire (Louise will become Lena's pet and will not question her affair with Jeremy, Ian's life wouldn't be so involved with Perry and Wade, etc).

It's just Eva wanted to solidify multiple relationships before the start of Chapter 10. And you can't make relationship solid if it's built on a false premise from the start.
 
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Well, summing up all 1357 pages in one hot shit take: I sure do hope Eva never goes for a 2 protagonists game again. Cause let's be honest, she DID write herself into a corner, and if there ever is a "chapter 11" it will be exponentially worse than chapter 10. :Kappa:
 
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Mrorome said:
Well, summing up all 1357 pages in one hot shit take: I sure do hope Eva never goes for a 2 protagonists game again. Cause let's be honest, she DID write herself into a corner, and if there ever is a "chapter 11" it will be exponentially worse than chapter 10. :Kappa:
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I enjoy ORS but agree that a return to a single protagonist for future games would likely be easier to manage for Eva.
 
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It's just Eva wanted to solidify multiple relationships before the start of Chapter 10. And you can't make relationship solid if it's built on a false premise from the start.
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It's this observation in combination with the events directly after the relationship talk that makes me curious how Eva will balance the relationships in the coming chapters. Ian and Lena's solid, not-built-on-false-premises relationship could take a drastic turn with the immediate events involving Cindy, Axel and Seymour. It seems clear Eva set that up exactly to eventually create maximum drama.

A Jeremy/Lena affair would be a ticking bomb conflict wise because Jeremy is so unsubtle (and because the implications of Ian's social life would be so big). In that sense the three others are different because they'd be able to keep a secret. But seeing how possessive both Axel and Seymour are, it seems unlikely they'll be satisfied being Lena's side piece in the long run. That leaves the question: How long will it take before someone reveals Ian's and/or Lena's cheating?

And independent of what other NPCs do, there's also the question about how Lena and Ian themselves will act. I guess chapter 10 could easily begin with an inner monologue from Ian (and later from Lena) where he justifies not telling Lena about his potential cheating with Cindy, meaning we won't get the option to come clean about it in the immediate future. But at some point we probably will, and/or at some point we'll get the chance to expose the actions of the other.

In short, I guess my point is this: I agree that Eva seemingly made some choices on the Lena/Jeremy path to make it easier to handle writing wise. But at the same time she decided to time the events with Cindy, Axel and Seymour exactly in a way to make it as impactful as possible, and that will create the most drama for the relationship between Ian and Lena. That sounds fun for us, but also like Eva isn't making it easy for herself, despite making Lena's relationship with Ian incompatible with an affair with Jeremy.
 
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